Why even self-help authors can still be messy. Glennon Doyle is the CEO and Founder of Treat Media, an award-winning media company that makes art for humans who want to stay human. She is an author, podcaster, producer, and philanthropist. Her books include the #1 New York Times bestsellers Untamed and Love Warrior; the New York Times bestseller Carry On, Warrior; and Get Untamed: The Journal. Abby Wambach is a two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA World Cup champion, six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year award and one of Time’s Most Influential People. She is a founder of Treat Media, and the author of the #1 New York Times Bestseller Wolfpack and the New York Times bestseller Forward. In this episode we talk about: Significant personal struggles that happened simultaneously for Glennon, Abby, and Glennon's sister, Amanda How that led to them writing a book about the fundamental life questions they believe everyone grapples with Why people in the self-help world don’t always have their shit together Why trauma leads to dissociation How to “go on” after the experience of grief Why we are the way we are Family roles, attachment theory, and learned behaviors The possibility of personal change Our thoughts on the latest season of the White Lotus And much more Related Episodes: Abby Wambach On: Grief, Addiction, And Moving From External To Internal Validation Glennon Doyle is Rethinking Her Relationship to Social Media, Hustle Culture, Intuition, Her Body, and Her Parents Join Dan’s online community here Follow Dan on social: Instagram, TikTok Subscribe to our YouTube Channel Additional Resources: We Can Do Hard Things Book We Can Do Hard Things Podcast Treat Media Untamed Wolfpack Intimate Terrorism by Michael Vincent Miller