Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Jillian Michaels about her transition from fitness to political discussions; her wake-up call about the politicization of health and how it pulled her into the political space; feeling alienated from her liberal peers due to her views; her evolving perspective on mainstream narratives; her struggle to communicate political views in a divided environment; her comparison of “coming out” politically to coming out as bisexual decades ago; her frustration with corporate and political elites, including billionaires like George Soros and Bill Gates; how her left-leaning friends, even family, struggle to accept her changing viewpoints; how big corporations influenced food and health policies since the 1980s; the manipulation of the food and health care industries; the influence of Big Pharma, Big Food, and Big Insurance in promoting addictive, unhealthy food and costly medical treatments; how diet and lifestyle changes can combat obesity and health issues; the psychological reasons behind overeating and food addiction; the potential role of psychedelics in treating emotional wounds; the science behind satiety and the addictive nature of processed foods; and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices