Stephan and Cory discuss the current trends in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, focusing on the dynamics of altcoins, the emergence of treasury companies, and the implications of regulatory changes. They explore the long-term outlook for Bitcoin, the role of mining companies, and the potential for institutional adoption. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the market landscape and the various strategies for investing in Bitcoin and related assets.Takeaways????Altcoins generally trend down against Bitcoin over time.????Treasury companies are gaining attention for their potential returns.????Bitcoin remains the safest long-term store of value.????Leverage in Bitcoin equities can enhance returns but comes with risks.????Mining companies face challenges in capital markets compared to Bitcoin equities.????Regulatory changes may impact the landscape for Bitcoin and crypto.????Institutional adoption is crucial for the future of Bitcoin.????Understanding the market dynamics is essential for investors.????Not all companies will achieve institutional scale in Bitcoin investment.????Every business can benefit from holding Bitcoin on their balance sheet.Timestamps:(00:00) - Intro(01:51) - Is it a season of altcoins or Leveraged Bitcoin Equities (LBEs)? (04:27) - Bitcoin’s dominance & reducing volatility vs LBEs(10:54) - Can Strategy use MSTR to pay for the obligations of preferred share offerings? (13:30) - The role of Convertible Debt and Preferred Shares(18:43) - Are LBEs sustainable? (21:56) - Sponsors(23:46) - What are the jurisdictional advantages of various LBEs?(28:56) - What is the future of Bitcoin accumulation strategies?(34:07) - Bitcoin mining companies vs. LBEs(38:40) - Sponsors(39:39) - Competition among the Bitcoin accumulators ( $NAKA, $SQNS etc.) (43:09) - The speculative attack arbitrage of LBEs(51:41) - Cory’s perspective on the recent crypto laws passed in DC(57:50) - Will the CLARITY act help the open source devs? (1:01:01) - Closing thoughtsLinks: https://x.com/coryklippsten Sponsors:Bold BitcoinCoinKite.com (code LIVERA)Lana by GaloyStephan Livera links:Follow me on X: @stephanliveraSubscribe to the podcastSubscribe to Substack