Yet again, US-China relations are tense. Ely Ratner served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Indo-Pacific Security Affairs during the Biden Administration. He joined the show from Washington to discuss his latest Foreign Affairs piece: "The Case for a Pacific Defense Pact." This conversation was just before Trump and Xi spoke. Also on today's show: author Ibram X. Kendi; financier Ray Dalio; actor Tom Hanks (from the archive) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices