The legal battle over the Trump administration's gutting of USAID began this week with a federal judge ruling against DOGE-initiated cuts. Though Elon Musk insists "no one has died as a result" of DOGE's actions, the reality on the ground is already painting a very different picture. Health workers in the developing world have said people are already dying from the cutoff. And a new study by the Center for Global Development says millions more could die within a year. International Rescue Committee chief David Miliband joins the show to discuss. Also on today's show: Omar El Akkad, author, “One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This”; Carrie Besnette Hauser, President and CEO, Trust for Public Land Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices