We are seeing a shift in US and Russia's relations as high-level talks take place in Saudi Arabia, with both countries agreeing to "work through the conflict in Ukraine." Wendy Sherman was Deputy Secretary of State in the Biden administration and was among the last American diplomats to negotiate with Russian officials on the eve of their 2022 invasion. She joins Christiane from DC. Also on today's show: Ruth Margalit, Contributing writer, The New York Times Magazine; Brendan Ballou, Former Federal Prosecutor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices